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	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dougal</title>
		<link>http://blog.dougalmatthews.com/2008/06/aptana-cloud-hands-on/#comment-452</link>
		<dc:creator>Dougal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd be amazing if there wasn't some plans for a re-seller package down the line as its really a very important and huge selling point for a server like this. I'm not quite sure how it would though, since its so tightly integrated into aptana. Would a re-seller need its own IDE? or perhaps a reseller could just do the job with a web interface or a simple desktop app? It'd be cool to see cloud plugings for other IDE's

Unfortunately I only had a chance to play with aptana cloud as an individual but the team features certainly do look like they could be really useful. It's nice to have it all integrated etc. I would feel a bit nervous about storing large projects on aptana cloud without knowing more about how its back-ed up etc.

I'm personally looking for Django support! Rails would be cool too, but not for me :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be amazing if there wasn&#8217;t some plans for a re-seller package down the line as its really a very important and huge selling point for a server like this. I&#8217;m not quite sure how it would though, since its so tightly integrated into aptana. Would a re-seller need its own IDE? or perhaps a reseller could just do the job with a web interface or a simple desktop app? It&#8217;d be cool to see cloud plugings for other IDE&#8217;s</p>
<p>Unfortunately I only had a chance to play with aptana cloud as an individual but the team features certainly do look like they could be really useful. It&#8217;s nice to have it all integrated etc. I would feel a bit nervous about storing large projects on aptana cloud without knowing more about how its back-ed up etc.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m personally looking for Django support! Rails would be cool too, but not for me <img src='http://blog.dougalmatthews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: James West</title>
		<link>http://blog.dougalmatthews.com/2008/06/aptana-cloud-hands-on/#comment-446</link>
		<dc:creator>James West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 01:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too have been involved in the BETA test for the cloud.
First of all I have to say "What a breeze" Totally professional product providred by a totally proffesional organisation.

I have unfortunately not been able to get a site up and running for long as I'm using RadRails which is not yet supported in the cloud although Chris Willians did set up a rails environment for me to have a play with for a short period.

I too have concerns over pricing and despite several requests for information on this, have yet to be told if there is any intention of providing host re-selling services as this side of things seem to have been neglected somewhat.

Rightly or wrongly I get the impression that Aptana have concentrated on the team development environment providing a superb "in house" solution with integrated subversion and team development support but there seems to be very little info on how a web site developer writing web apps for third parties can sell their cloud sites.

I have found Aptana to be superb in their responses to ASAP reports with very quick turn around times and this is incredibly encouraging.

I can't wait for rails support and really would like to see more from them to support the freelance web site developer. As I say, the whole process from deployment to site maintenance is a total refreshing breeze

James West</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too have been involved in the BETA test for the cloud.<br />
First of all I have to say &#8220;What a breeze&#8221; Totally professional product providred by a totally proffesional organisation.</p>
<p>I have unfortunately not been able to get a site up and running for long as I&#8217;m using RadRails which is not yet supported in the cloud although Chris Willians did set up a rails environment for me to have a play with for a short period.</p>
<p>I too have concerns over pricing and despite several requests for information on this, have yet to be told if there is any intention of providing host re-selling services as this side of things seem to have been neglected somewhat.</p>
<p>Rightly or wrongly I get the impression that Aptana have concentrated on the team development environment providing a superb &#8220;in house&#8221; solution with integrated subversion and team development support but there seems to be very little info on how a web site developer writing web apps for third parties can sell their cloud sites.</p>
<p>I have found Aptana to be superb in their responses to ASAP reports with very quick turn around times and this is incredibly encouraging.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t wait for rails support and really would like to see more from them to support the freelance web site developer. As I say, the whole process from deployment to site maintenance is a total refreshing breeze</p>
<p>James West</p>
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		<title>By: Dougal</title>
		<link>http://blog.dougalmatthews.com/2008/06/aptana-cloud-hands-on/#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator>Dougal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 08:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually disagree. Aptana Cloud is very quick in terms of setting up etc. and its actual speed depends on how much you are willing to spend... It also hosts PHP too. So really it covers everything you searched for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually disagree. Aptana Cloud is very quick in terms of setting up etc. and its actual speed depends on how much you are willing to spend&#8230; It also hosts PHP too. So really it covers everything you searched for.</p>
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		<title>By: Host</title>
		<link>http://blog.dougalmatthews.com/2008/06/aptana-cloud-hands-on/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>Host</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 07:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I searched for \'Quick Host Php Web Hosting\' in google and found this your post (\'Aptana Cloud - Hands On\') in search results. Not very relevant result, but still interesting to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I searched for \&#8217;Quick Host Php Web Hosting\&#8217; in google and found this your post (\&#8217;Aptana Cloud - Hands On\&#8217;) in search results. Not very relevant result, but still interesting to read.</p>
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		<title>By: T.J. Crowder</title>
		<link>http://blog.dougalmatthews.com/2008/06/aptana-cloud-hands-on/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>T.J. Crowder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dougal,

Thanks for the added info.  It'll be interesting to see where they end up with it.

Yeah, I wonder about the backend as well.  As you suggest, it sounds a bit like shared hosting, but it also sounds a bit like VMs...

-- T.J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dougal,</p>
<p>Thanks for the added info.  It&#8217;ll be interesting to see where they end up with it.</p>
<p>Yeah, I wonder about the backend as well.  As you suggest, it sounds a bit like shared hosting, but it also sounds a bit like VMs&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8211; T.J.</p>
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		<title>By: Dougal</title>
		<link>http://blog.dougalmatthews.com/2008/06/aptana-cloud-hands-on/#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>Dougal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T.J,

24 hour support adds $0.99 per day, and a unlimited developers adds $0.33 per day.

I don't think it sounds too expensive, its only compared to some shared hosting solutions. However shared hosting doesn't cut it for many projects.

I do wonder how it all works in the back-end. Is this effectively shared hosting with a nice front on it? Or is it based on VM's?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T.J,</p>
<p>24 hour support adds $0.99 per day, and a unlimited developers adds $0.33 per day.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it sounds too expensive, its only compared to some shared hosting solutions. However shared hosting doesn&#8217;t cut it for many projects.</p>
<p>I do wonder how it all works in the back-end. Is this effectively shared hosting with a nice front on it? Or is it based on VM&#8217;s?</p>
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		<title>By: Aptana Clouds - новые подробности &#124; Alpha-Beta-Release Blog</title>
		<link>http://blog.dougalmatthews.com/2008/06/aptana-cloud-hands-on/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Aptana Clouds - новые подробности &#124; Alpha-Beta-Release Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] из западных блоггеров (Dougal Matthews) его все же достал и написал обзор первых впечатлений. На его основе сегодня и мы опишем, чего же ожидать от [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] из западных блоггеров (Dougal Matthews) его все же достал и написал обзор первых впечатлений. На его основе сегодня и мы опишем, чего же ожидать от [...]</p>
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		<title>By: T.J. Crowder</title>
		<link>http://blog.dougalmatthews.com/2008/06/aptana-cloud-hands-on/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>T.J. Crowder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dougal,

Very interesting stuff, thanks for the first look.  One comment:

"...up to 2 GB of ram and 25 GB hard disc for $8.22 a day. Seems fairly reasonably priced..."

As you say, pricing is probably still in flux, but I'd want that number to come down markedly.  $8.22/day is about $250/month, for 2GB of RAM and 25GB of disk, "up to" 95% of 8 CPUs only at peaks, business-hours only support for critical issues, and one admin an one developer.  In the dedicated server market, that would be substantially overpriced.  Obviously the cloud has advantages beyond a dedicated server (big ones) which makes up some of that gap, but...

I'd *really* like to see how that number changes with 24/7/365 support and a larger dev/admin team.  I'm not running a commercial site on any infrastructure where I can't get someone on the phone if there's a critical outage, regardless of what time it is where they are.  And it isn't clear to me why the size of my dev or admin teams is any of their business.

Still, very exciting stuff.  Would hate to see it fall down on pricing.

Thanks again for the sneak peek,
--
T.J. Crowder
tj / crowder software / com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dougal,</p>
<p>Very interesting stuff, thanks for the first look.  One comment:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;up to 2 GB of ram and 25 GB hard disc for $8.22 a day. Seems fairly reasonably priced&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>As you say, pricing is probably still in flux, but I&#8217;d want that number to come down markedly.  $8.22/day is about $250/month, for 2GB of RAM and 25GB of disk, &#8220;up to&#8221; 95% of 8 CPUs only at peaks, business-hours only support for critical issues, and one admin an one developer.  In the dedicated server market, that would be substantially overpriced.  Obviously the cloud has advantages beyond a dedicated server (big ones) which makes up some of that gap, but&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d *really* like to see how that number changes with 24/7/365 support and a larger dev/admin team.  I&#8217;m not running a commercial site on any infrastructure where I can&#8217;t get someone on the phone if there&#8217;s a critical outage, regardless of what time it is where they are.  And it isn&#8217;t clear to me why the size of my dev or admin teams is any of their business.</p>
<p>Still, very exciting stuff.  Would hate to see it fall down on pricing.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the sneak peek,<br />
&#8211;<br />
T.J. Crowder<br />
tj / crowder software / com</p>
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		<title>By: Javascript News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Aptana Cloud: A sneak peak</title>
		<link>http://blog.dougalmatthews.com/2008/06/aptana-cloud-hands-on/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>Javascript News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Aptana Cloud: A sneak peak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Matthews has been playing with Aptana Cloud in a beta form. He wrote up this piece that walks you through the functionality with screenshots:  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Matthews has been playing with Aptana Cloud in a beta form. He wrote up this piece that walks you through the functionality with screenshots:  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hacker News &#171; Gabriel Steinbach</title>
		<link>http://blog.dougalmatthews.com/2008/06/aptana-cloud-hands-on/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>Hacker News &#171; Gabriel Steinbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Aptana Cloud - Hands On (dougalmatthews.com) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Aptana Cloud - Hands On (dougalmatthews.com) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dougal</title>
		<link>http://blog.dougalmatthews.com/2008/06/aptana-cloud-hands-on/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>Dougal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, I'm not that familiar with Pear. I only recently started using it in more depth. I'll check that out. Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, I&#8217;m not that familiar with Pear. I only recently started using it in more depth. I&#8217;ll check that out. Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Selby</title>
		<link>http://blog.dougalmatthews.com/2008/06/aptana-cloud-hands-on/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Selby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dougal,

Thanks for your positive feedback and review of the cloud, but I did notice one thing I wanted to comment on...

Regarding the lack of Pear support, we've decided not to bundle it in for several reasons, such as this being a multi-user environment and not wanting to have everybody sharing one local Pear repository.  We figured the best solution would be to use go-pear.php to create your own local instance of pear.  This basically will set up pear in your doc root for you and provides a nice web interface for downloading / updating / installing pear packages.  Check it out:
http://pear.php.net/go-pear

Like I said, we think this should be a good solution, but I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dougal,</p>
<p>Thanks for your positive feedback and review of the cloud, but I did notice one thing I wanted to comment on&#8230;</p>
<p>Regarding the lack of Pear support, we&#8217;ve decided not to bundle it in for several reasons, such as this being a multi-user environment and not wanting to have everybody sharing one local Pear repository.  We figured the best solution would be to use go-pear.php to create your own local instance of pear.  This basically will set up pear in your doc root for you and provides a nice web interface for downloading / updating / installing pear packages.  Check it out:<br />
<a href="http://pear.php.net/go-pear" rel="nofollow">http://pear.php.net/go-pear</a></p>
<p>Like I said, we think this should be a good solution, but I&#8217;d be very interested to hear your thoughts as well.</p>
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